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The First of the plotting/world-building chats 
15th-Aug-2005 11:42 pm
This is where Fantasia Night started... a chat between windandwater, trowacko, and ponderosa121.




trowacko: oooh. share some bunnies!
windandwater: oh, it's because i was thinking about the NES not being hoppy thing
trowacko: i haven't had some hoppy bunnies for NES yet. tho i have others *cough*
windandwater: and then i seriously started thinking about Bastian writing erotica
windandwater: like, Fantasia lives because of the dreams of children, right? i'm fuzzy since i saw the moive years and years ago
trowacko: maybe he *could* write it. he's got the book. he can pen in what he wants and it'll just become part of the book. like that's how he gets his wishes when not in Fantasia o_o
windandwater: yes, well, anyway Bastian starts worrying about Fantasia disappearing again, because children eventually stop dreaming and become adults
windandwater: bastian himself is going through such changes, though he's stilla dreamer
windandwater: then he realizes that adults have their own fantasies, but those aren't... uhhh... quite appropriate for fantasia
trowacko: XD
windandwater: but all the monsters come out at night, when good children should be in bed ^^
windandwater: so bastian starts to create the Night of Fantasia
windandwater: so that even if children stop dreaming, fantasia won't be totally ruined like before
windandwater: i just had a really good line: The Childlike Empress had now become a Queen.
windandwater: X3
trowacko: a specific place, or around the already established places?
windandwater: hmmm around the established places, but new ones emerge only when it's night
trowacko: mmm. almost like a mirage effect, i like that
windandwater: like, regular fantasia still exists, and it's fine, wbut when "night" comes, some people don't stick around, or they take different forms
trowacko: do they know that?
windandwater: like the Childlike Empress exists in the Night, but she'slike a Dominatrix Queen
windandwater: well, bastian obviously knows, and the childlike empress knows
windandwater: it sorta depends
trowacko: whoa. some of them wouldn't even sleep then.
windandwater: there's new sorts of things that are only around in the night, too, because they're totally adult fantasy
windandwater: well, it's not a matter of sleep, but... like... the Day self goes to sleep and the Night self wakes up
trowacko: or. well, no, that's not exactly right either
trowacko: yah
windandwater: the Childlike Empress rules everything, so she's powerful enough to know everything
windandwater: she's helping bastian because she knows he doesn't want fantasia to die again, so they're sorta... trying to figure out the details
trowacko: would the empress and the queen ever try to invade the other's territory, or are they more looking for a balance?
windandwater: no no, it's balance
trowacko: gotcha
windandwater: they can't coexist at the same time, even if they know what the other does
trowacko: spiffy!
windandwater: there's day, for children's fantasies, and night for the adults
trowacko: wait, if Bastian is creating the night of fantasia, is the Queen new, or was she always there? or dormant?
windandwater: Hmmm... she's like, another aspect of the childlike empress
windandwater: she looks like the childlike empress, but older
windandwater: bastian respects what fantasia is, and how it's run, he's just... aging it up XD
trowacko: mmm. so Atreyu can have a day and night self then
windandwater: yes there is one
trowacko: would *he* know?
windandwater: XDDDD
windandwater: depends
trowacko: or just wonder why sometimes he wakes up with a sore ass? XD
windandwater: the night!Atreyu is utterly devoted to bastian
windandwater: XDDD bastian's own fantasies are the strongest in molding fantasia, day OR night
windandwater: "Bastain, I was created for you."
windandwater: bastian geh, typing like fuck again
trowacko: ooooh, i'm loving this
windandwater: and uhm... i don't know if physical hurst carry over
ponderosa121: *wanders back on in* mmm atreyu.
windandwater: hurts
trowacko: let's say not so there's still hoppy day!Atreyu XD
windandwater: or else Atreyu would wake up with whip marks and not know what happened XD
windandwater: yes, happy day!atreyu is still himself
trowacko: we're discussing hoppy smutty NES cuz i was drawing a blank and a half
windandwater: it's just night!Atreyu is the sexual one
ponderosa121: i see that
windandwater: yes yes, i can make it hoppy!!!
windandwater: but there would be a lot of... uhm... world building?
windandwater: as bastian tries to figure out the rules to make sure day and night both exist and work and not mess each other up
windandwater: plus, tension since day!atreyu is bastian's best!friend!ever but night!atreyu is a sex!kitten
trowacko: bah. i'm trying to keep with the hoppy, but i have this wicked visual of Bastian and Atreyu going at it and the sun's rising
ponderosa121: :O
windandwater: XDDDDD
windandwater: did i mention Atreyu's in a skirt?
windandwater: night!atreyu anyway
ponderosa121: score
windandwater: like, a... leather... kilt... skirt... thing.... slit up the sides
windandwater: i forget what it's called... not a loincloth
windandwater: ... well... sorta XD
trowacko: does he change, or is this a change that occurs when day!Atreyu goes to sleep?
windandwater: it happens during sleep
ponderosa121: changing instantly is more exciting
windandwater: sunset and sunrise are the barriers
ponderosa121: one minute bastian looks away and the next night!atreyu is prowling over to him
windandwater: like, i'll use the childlike empress as an example, because she's conscious of what goes one
windandwater: day!empress is all fine and dandy, but then sunset starts to come. everyone go home to bed and such, and day!empress will usually go to her chambers alone as well
windandwater: sunset passes, and day!empress gets sleepy and knows whats coming, closes her eyes
windandwater: twilight and night!Empress opens her eyes
windandwater: maybe even her physical surroundings would changes slightly, to fit the night fantasia
windandwater: XDDD i have an image of day!empress laying down alone in her big all white bed, and night!empress opening her eyes in a red silk bed, covered by nymphs and satyrs and such
ponderosa121: XD
windandwater: bwehehe
ponderosa121: like her sleeping gown would turn to red first, blossoming from her chest and spreading out like ink across her gown and bed and then the rest of fantasia quickly turns too? :p
windandwater: hey, whatever floats your boat XDDD
trowacko: oooh. like she's the epicenter of where it begins o_o
ponderosa121: XD
windandwater: it would be OMGSYMBOLIC
windandwater: and Bastian can move back and forth through day and night at will, he doesn't really "change" like everyone else does
windandwater: ... i like the idea of sex!kitten!Atreyu
windandwater: *purrs*
trowacko: man, that could be one helluva long fic
windandwater: you could do it drabble style
windandwater: or make it a universe of connected fics
ponderosa121: do it drabble style day night day night day night :p
trowacko: how long is a drabble?
windandwater: ooh
ponderosa121: technically 100 words
trowacko: i just guess XD
windandwater: drabbles are usually a minimum of 100 words
windandwater: i;ve seen 1000 word drabbles
ponderosa121: but people kidna use the term just to mean very short fics
windandwater: or you can say ficlet
windandwater: we're thinking on the same wavelength, pondy!
windandwater: *puts on tinfoil hat*
ponderosa121: the term drabble is sorta like a haiku its a set format, but people don't use it like that :p
ponderosa121: hee
windandwater: this is why i use the all-encompassing "fic-shaped thing"
ponderosa121: XD
windandwater: it's good for drabbles, ficlets, fics, whatever
trowacko: shorter connecting fics would be spiffy. i'm not sure i could drabble and get across what i'd like to
trowacko: you know, you could make a series of rules and set a bunch of ppl loose on this even
windandwater: *nodnods* just a connecting universe is good
windandwater: it gives you the flexibility to write however and whatever you want
windandwater: like, maybe one day you want to write just this one scene, then the next, you want a longer fic full of background
windandwater: XDD make an LJ comm!
windandwater: you could start it off and set people loose
windandwater: that's what's happened to mikke and some of her fics
trowacko: i'mma make notes on this and prod you often for details :D
windandwater: sure ^^
windandwater: maybe i'd even write something
trowacko: cool!
windandwater: XP
windandwater: i would totally join up and stalk
windandwater: plus, this is a reason to legitimately add BDSM and crossdressing to Fantasia
trowacko: true, true! i'm liking the structure thus far *excited*
windandwater: ^_______________^
windandwater: actually, i was hoping that i could palm the idea off on you XD
ponderosa121: lazy!
windandwater: indeed i am
trowacko: *swipes and snuggles* but it's still your universe. i'm only playing with it XD
ponderosa121: XD
windandwater: hai hai
windandwater: earlier i was going to tell you to have fun playing in my backyard
windandwater: XD
trowacko: *zips aboot grass*
windandwater: mind the sandbox
windandwater: hee this is fun to talk about
windandwater: and plot and plan and stuff
trowacko: it is! it is! i've been waiting for somethign to strike me and the best i got was my old van helsing fic. this is much more fun XD
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Comments 
16th-Aug-2005 12:51 pm (UTC)
I haven't read the other two logs yet, but have questions (if answered in the other logs, just point to them).

If bastian is the only one who knows and can move in and out of bother worlds without "sleeping", can one sometimes bleed into the other where he is concerned? As in, if he recalls something he and atreyu might have done, and acts on it but it's the daytime world?

another question I have is, after dawn breaks, the nighttime world goes into stasis, right? like an amusement park in the off-season, everyone 'holds' their positions until sunset? if bastian needed to visit the nighttime world during daytime hours, could he wake someone?

last question (at least for now), can another visitor find his realm? as in, could another one of mr coriander's boys pass through his world instead of going to his own?

don't look now, but i've got a little bunny nibbling, and depending on the responses, it might grow into something. at least a little something.
16th-Aug-2005 10:13 pm (UTC)
If bastian is the only one who knows and can move in and out of bother worlds without "sleeping", can one sometimes bleed into the other where he is concerned? As in, if he recalls something he and atreyu might have done, and acts on it but it's the daytime world?

The short answer is "yes." It's one of those sticky things that Bastian's going to have to try and remember and deal with, especially since he has a VERY sexual relationship with Atreyu in the Night, but they're just best friends in the Day. Of course, acting out Night things in the Day (and vice versa) causes a lot of problems and confusion, since the alternate selves literally don't remember what happens. The only exception is the Childlike EMpress/The Queen; but while each remembers what the other does, they can't (or won't) act like their otherselves, i.e.: the Childlike Empress isn't going to suddenly jump Bastian in the Day because the Queen wants to.

another question I have is, after dawn breaks, the nighttime world goes into stasis, right? like an amusement park in the off-season, everyone 'holds' their positions until sunset? if bastian needed to visit the nighttime world during daytime hours, could he wake someone?

That's a good question. I'm not sure. Theoretically, Bastian can do whatever he wants, since he's making the Night world and he has the Auryn. And Bastian is purposely making sure that Atreyu doesn't have the same self-awareness that he and the Empress/Queen do (assumption is that if a person is "strong" enough they'll be able to remember both Day and Night, but that awareness can be controlled definitely by Bastian, and somewhat by the Empress/Queen if it causes problems). Maybe he could "wake" some up, but I think there would have to be measures taken to ensure the woken person isn't overexposed to the "wrong" world.

last question (at least for now), can another visitor find his realm? as in, could another one of mr coriander's boys pass through his world instead of going to his own?

Again, another good question that could be answered as everything evoloves. ^^ A regular little boy would be barred from entering the Night, since he'd be too young and not have the right fantasies that sort of provide the "key" to entering the Night. When the sun sets, he'd just fall asleep and stay asleep like the Fantasia citizens who don't have Night!selves. If it was a somewhat older boy, then there might be a chance he'd have access to the Night, if he wasn't caught up in what happens in the Day.

Day is like the default mode, and Night has to be unlocked with a special password after completing the bonus level. XD!

Adults, I don't think, would have access to Fantasia at all, unless they were exceptionally creative and dreamers. And as adults, they'd most likely have access to the Night (unless they're too dazzled by the Day). Plus, Bastian is around to make sure people stay where they're supposed to be. ^^ If he or the Empress/Queen sense a foreign presence, measures are taken to assess the "threat" and what should be done.

Though, I did have the idea that pure dreams and fantasies help fuel Fantasia Day and Night. Like, some kid in England is dreaming about dragons and *poof* they're existing in Fantasia Day. Likewise, if some salaryman in Japan is fantasizing about nymphs *poof* they exist in Fantasia Night. I'm not quite sure how everything works, since I've only seen the movie and haven't read the book yet. Bastian's own fantasies, of course, are the strongest.
18th-Aug-2005 12:09 pm (UTC)
bunny!
What if there was a little boy (like, eight) who's had shota experience with someone - non-consensual. And then he'd suddenly wake up in Night, and were confused and scared? And Bastian would find him accidentally, and cares. And he'd go out into the Real World and find that kid to save him!

>_> Waitasec, that's almost a plot. Forget it. -_-;


Weren't you talking about Bastian being an author before? Wasn't he supposed to be writing erotica to draw people into Night Fantasia? Or... something?
18th-Aug-2005 10:23 pm (UTC)
;___; What's wrong with plot?

Anyway, I don't know if the kid would wake up in the Night. Default is Fantasia Day, since it's more of a safe haven for kids. Bastian would still be able to find him though.

Weren't you talking about Bastian being an author before? Wasn't he supposed to be writing erotica to draw people into Night Fantasia? Or... something?

I THINK tro is the one working on the beginning-ish fic or something for Night; she wrote something and put it up in her own LJ. The idea of Bastian trying to write erotica was just my own idea. XD;; I can see him attempting it, if only to try to figure out things on his own.
18th-Aug-2005 10:41 pm (UTC)
I THINK tro is the one working on the beginning-ish fic or something for Night

*nodnod* Leave the difficult stuff to her! XD


And I thought it was about smut, not about plot; but I'll play with the idea for a bit... see if it squeaks when I pinch it.
19th-Aug-2005 09:02 am (UTC)
Heh. It can be smut or plot, whatever you want to write. Night has the possibilities for either shameless smutting or more plotish things. X3;;
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